My POV on Sweats/Tryhards

hey incapablex?!

 

Hiiiya

We have somewhat similar views on sweats. A lot of people hate them, whereas me and my CW buddy @Exclipse have grown to be quite fond of them. It is funny when some of them like to show off their closet cheating skills by going full bhop or Anti-KB on us (and the high levels do that more than you might think), but when they aren't closeting it's quite fun. I have never understood the people who die and then call out the sweats for being tryhards because it is entirely pointless and oftentimes fuels egos. When we play CW on alts we also get called out for being tryhards and even sometimes hackers lmao. Even though my K:D ratio on my main is less than 1 and on my alt it's just over 1 :(

I've never been too good at the game but I don't have the sweats. I just avoid them wherever possible because I don't want my stats to go down the drain extremely fast.

 

I like replying to posts like this and I dont even play cakewars lol.

We all have different views on tryhards, but I wouldn't call a hacker a tryhard- they're not even "trying" if they use something as skilless as hacks. For me, a tryhard is someone who I think spends too much time playing and someone who only plays to win. I know why people are so annoyed by it, but if they don't like it they can lobby dodge or just not play at all. Sweats are normal players and if they're not breaking a rule, they can't be punished. However, I think a ranking system would be good if Mineplex manages to get new players. I've seen that idea being thrown around a bit.

One thing that didn't make sense to me is this:

So maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, but you're making a post acting like tryhards are regular players, but then you also say that most of them are actually cheaters? This doesn't make sense. If someone is cheating, they are not a normal player and they should not be allowed to continue. And I'm also confused on why you said it isn't mineplex's job to fix the "problem." To me, it sounds like the problem you mentioned is the cheaters that you were talking about in the sentence before, so it sounds like you're saying that Mineplex shouldn't enforce their rules because it's not their job to do anything about the problem. I disagree with this. I know it's hard for them to catch every cheater, especially if they're closeting or abusing a glitch, but both of those are against the rules and it's Mineplex's duty to enforce their rules to the best of their ability. They are actually working on GWEN v2, which should hopefully make closeters easier to detect.

But other than that, good post.

 

I think it's pretty important to separate the term "tryhards" from "closet cheaters". I typically consider myself a tryhard, as I play to the best of my ability and use all the tools the game gives to me, but I don't cheat. A lot of people say that tryhards ruin the game, and if they're talking about closet cheaters, I'd totally agree - but people who are just playing the game and trying their hardest (as indicated by the name) cause no real issue to Mineplex in my opinion. In moderation, tryhards make the game healthy as it gives players a challenge. Tryhards only ruin the game when there is an overabundance of them, leaving the casual player base no chance to win when things such as lobby dodging are involved.

 

They really need to implement a leveling system like I've suggested before, though this idea has been declined multiple times but I'm going to bring it up anyways. You can't do anything about good players, but you should match them against other players like them, maybe those who aren't so competent go against players like them too. I can't really say much about closet cheaters, Mineplex's Anti-Cheat is awful anyways so I would just depend on staffs, they can moderate matches.

 

I am split to be honest, as like yeah, staff can't do anything about sweats and they shouldn't be banned, but they do make some games quite unplayable sometimes, in CW you get 3 bricks and there's already a team of immortals eating your cake and killing you (which happened to me A LOT when I got back to mineplex after a break), or in Turf Wars sometimes you can't even get out of your spawn (and sometimes they are in your spawn) killing you the second you go out (or spawn), which makes some games really frustrating to play to the point where a lot of people that use to play it, just avoid it.
And I've also seen messages along the lines of "they should be motivated to improve", but again, it's sounds logical and good in theory, but that's not how a big majority of humans work, they get frustrated and leave or something very similar.
As well as some people (like myself) just prefer to play casually for fun, instead of working to get good or something like that.

And of course, there's also many different perspectives for this problem and it's far from being black and white as of course, the higher level and skill players won't be bothered as much, as sweats don't pose the same amount of challenge to them as they do to lower level and skill players.
At the end, they will annoy some people hella lot (and will make them not want to play anymore), some will be fairly annoyed, but will continue playing, and others won't be bothered at all.