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Anti-cheat

Discussion in 'Bedrock Ideas' started by Master0gaming17, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. Can you please add a player report system the way it would be typed is /report (username) I think this would greatly help the server
     
    Posted Nov 28, 2019
  2. Thread Moved to Bedrock Ideas

    I see you currently have a linked Bedrock account, and since we already have /report for Java, I’ll assume you mean this for Bedrock.

    Hmm, I’m not too sure about this. The Bedrock staff team is a lot smaller than the Java one, so adding this in would be tough since it would need to be limited to specific ranks since the staff members would not want to have players frustrated that their reports are not getting accepted. However, I’m not sure if that’s currently possible due to the limitations we are under as a Minecraft Partner. At the moment, if you report someone on the forums, you are guaranteed to get a response to your report eventually, but /report might not be the same way.

    Because of the reason that I said above, I’m conflicted on my opinion on this. I totally agree with you that hackers can be extremely frustrating for everyone involved, and as a player I would want this in so I’m able to report them, but I’d also be frustrated if they are not responded to. As a staff member, I understand how the system works, and I’m not sure if it would be the best for Bedrock.
     
    Posted Nov 28, 2019
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  3. As a Bedrock Moderator as well as a Java Moderator I feel I can give a fairly valid opinion on what I would take from this idea.

    The long-short is I don't really know why we haven't already done it. I believe we already have a form of cheater detection on Bedrock, however, I haven't really seen anything else for staff to utilise. This isn't great as it means I only do work for bedrock off SRs or FRs!

    What I would say is we need to make it safe for use. We need to make sure people can't just abuse it and the reports system is efficient, it also needs to be easy to use as for those on consoles and tablets it can be very grueling and tricky to actually type, I'd suggest something like:

    /rp (name) (reason)

    Then the server could maybe categorise it? I don't know - we'll see if it works first! +1 from me.​
     
    Posted Nov 28, 2019
  4. I think adding an in-game report system for Bedrock would be beneficial for players. However, there are some possible issues with your suggestion. First, as jxcb said, we have very little Bedrock staff members and it would be difficult for them to handle reports without many of them expiring, especially for hacking ones. If this is an issue, I suppose the command can be made available for ranked users to lower the number of players using the command so that staff members will have an easier time handling them.

    Furthermore, I am unsure if chat logs and such will be possible to implement in Bedrock. While I cannot reveal much about how the report system works on our end on Java, I suspect it would be quite tricky to implement such a system. This is purely my speculation, however, so this criticism should be taken with a grain of salt.
     
    Posted Nov 28, 2019
  5. Hi!

    I think this is a good idea, but like jxcb and AceSJus said, the Mineplex Bedrock Staff Team does not contain as much as Java does. So if one or two bedrock staff are on, and they are already handling reports that are coming in, their report might not get answered to for 2-5 minutes.
    But, I also like this idea. Adding a report system would mean more people would get punished. More punishments would lead to better experience for players on Bedrock.
    Overall, I think this would be a good idea to add on Bedrock.

    Have a good day/night!
     
    Posted Dec 2, 2019
  6. Hello! As a ex-Bedrock moderator I'll put my input in here. So you have stated 'Anti-cheat' but then go on to talk about a report command so let me just clear up some stuff about the anticheat first. Believe it or not, Bedrock does have an anticheat, but it's more or less a renamed version of MAC (the old anticheat on java) as some of the messages still gave headings such as when you're kicked for cheating. (This may have been fixed) The Bedrock anticheat is more or less non-existent, it can detect severe forms of flight, but in 99% of cases, it cannot, so you can't rely on it at all. The anticheat probably won't be developed because it's very difficult to use hacks as people do on Java, as Bedrocks cheaters are much more sophisticated.

    Moving on, whist your idea for a report command sounds good in retrospect, it wouldn't be viable in the long term. The first issue is I believe this was brought up in production before and Mojang said no to it, no further explanation was given, but I'll give this idea the benefit of the doubt and try to forget about that. So I'll start by stating the obvious; the Bedrock edition has fewer than 10 staff members where it stays consecutively, and they are mostly younger players, so if a very good player joined and was killing everybody, false reports could just be spammed by players and this would seriously overwhelm the Bedrock staff more than they already are as they are managing a player base twice the size of Java with much more limited resources and numbers. Reports would spam chat and even if there were valid reports, they would probably be lost in the abyss of false ones or the staff member just won't be able to get there in time.

    Having a report command like Java's is viable for chat reports as long as there is an image to link evidence and inappropriate name submissions and that's really it. Staff will not be able to get to the players in time to actually monitor them because of the ratio of players to staff. Whilst something like this isn't impossible per se, there could be ways that it could work like trying to make a larger hiring campaign for the Bedrock staff team but I'm not sure of the result that would come about from that. The second thing really is creating something like StaffRequest is, but it would probably fall down due to the same issues outlined above: lack of staff, too many players and more. Besides, Mojang strictly said no to anything like /a or private chatting which is why there isn't party or team chats like Java has.

    I'd like to end off by saying I know that my feedback seemed a little negative, but I'm trying to go over everything and it can seem overwhelming. So as a little tl;dr for you: There are too many players for the small amount of staff. Currently, I give this a -1 as I do encourage users to report on the forums because it allows specialists to deal with them and also guides people how to make good and sufficient reports to have action taken against players. Thank you for taking the time to make this idea!

    I'd also like to mention, cheaters in gameplay offences are significantly rarer on Bedrock than any of the other platforms unless you're playing survival or factions. I still encourage you to make forum reports though if you do find users breaking the rules, you can do that here.
     
    Posted Dec 2, 2019
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